In complete contrast to both the title and tone of this week's film, Nathan and Reed take things pretty deep with a heartfelt and vulnerable conversation about Jaume Collet-Serra's film starring Blake Lively and a very large shark -- THE SHALLOWS. After another countdown for #20/20/2020 of your listener-voted FAVORITE HORROR FILMS OF 2016, we explore why this woman-versus-shark story might easily be dismissed despite a surprising amount of craft and talent clearly at work in its execution, before exploring the challenging concepts of what it means to fight in the shallow places of our day-to-day lives.

This is a thoughtful and heartfelt conversation we think you won't want to miss and that we hope you enjoy.